Foxy Green Foxbody Build

BOSS#1540 said:
Do you think fox having kick back at 24° initial seems right?
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Fuck yes.
Cause a real race car starting procedure is to hit the starter then turn on ignition.
But you wouldn't know that.
Right?
 
Badd_Dadd said:
Fuck yes.
Cause a real race car starting procedure is to hit the starter then turn on ignition.
But you wouldn't know that.
Right?
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Seems others don't agree with you. Like several have said here, been locked out at 30-32° and no issues with hot starting.
No, I wouldn't know that, did it for over 15 years on the street but no, not a clue.

Now when he said 24° initial with vacuum advance connected that made more sense and I wanted to clarify he wasn't locked out.

Have I been giving bad advice in your opinion? What should fox do?
 
I don't know about bad advice, but beating a dead horse is where I start to tune shit out. I don't have an interest in locked out timing, nor do I care to hear about ls or Cleveland engines right now.

When I build a Chevy, it'll get an ls. Maybe even an ls with locked out timing.

I also don't really take forum advice when it's just a statement without a why and a how and a full explanation. Hard to make educated decisions before actually being educated.

We all knew how to look into the back of the math textbook to get the answers, but I'm a "show your work" kind of guy. Understanding the why is paramount to me
 
89 Fox 427 said:
I don't know about bad advice, but beating a dead horse is where I start to tune shit out. I don't have an interest in locked out timing, nor do I care to hear about ls or Cleveland engines right now.

When I build a Chevy, it'll get an ls. Maybe even an ls with locked out timing.

I also don't really take forum advice when it's just a statement without a why and a how and a full explanation. Hard to make educated decisions before actually being educated.

We all knew how to look into the back of the math textbook to get the answers, but I'm a "show your work" kind of guy. Understanding the why is paramount to me
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My only reference to Cleveland has been to show an example, the dizzy doesn't care what sbf its in. I showed you my cam specs because it has similar overlap to yours and similar hp, not because its a Cleveland, actually its a pos cam.
Pretty hard to explain the why and how when a few here have permanent hairs standing on the back of their necks. Stick with badd dadd 👍
 
BOSS#1540 said:
My only reference to Cleveland has been to show an example, the dizzy doesn't care what sbf its in. I showed you my cam specs because it has similar overlap to yours and similar hp, not because its a Cleveland, actually its a pos cam.
Pretty hard to explain the why and how when a few here have permanent hairs standing on the back of their necks. Stick with badd dadd 👍
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Just FYI your Cleveland posts are as predictable as lunch's Rothchilds posts.
 
Mr. Breeze said:
It's fun to sit back and watch this shit.

Hopefully soon he realizes he's not the only the fucker in the world to have struggled with a timing light/vac gauge/and a flathead screwdriver...
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Right, you go out there with a plan and bam it gets all shot to hell.
 
Lowrider said:
Right, you go out there with a plan and bam it gets all shot to hell.
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What really sucks is it is perfect.

Errthang workin… down to 8 cars

Go .006 & dead 3 & be mathematically ineligible when you left.

How do you fix runnin into THAT 🤷🏿‍♂️ 🤔
 
Lowrider said:
Right, you go out there with a plan and bam it gets all shot to hell.
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I get reeeealll fuckin confident like im going to nail it next time I'm in the garage and then by the time I'm done I wonder wtf happened and when people ask what happened I competely forget wtf actually happened
 
BOSS#1540 said:
Seems others don't agree with you. Like several have said here, been locked out at 30-32° and no issues with hot starting.
No, I wouldn't know that, did it for over 15 years on the street but no, not a clue.

Now when he said 24° initial with vacuum advance connected that made more sense and I wanted to clarify he wasn't locked out.

Have I been giving bad advice in your opinion? What should fox do?
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Fox is doing exactly what he thinks he should do.
Nuff said.
 
BOSS#1540 said:
My only reference to Cleveland has been to show an example, the dizzy doesn't care what sbf its in. I showed you my cam specs because it has similar overlap to yours and similar hp, not because its a Cleveland, actually its a pos cam.
Pretty hard to explain the why and how when a few here have permanent hairs standing on the back of their necks. Stick with badd dadd 👍
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Well if you missed it somewhere, the combustion chamber shape has a lot more Todo with more than the components you seem to be concerned with.
 
For the carburetor experts, I called ATM and was told their throttle bodies aren't like a normal holley. The secondaries need to be open in a 60/40 primary to secondary ratio or it'll be lean when you tip in the throttle.

He said don't worry about that feeler gauge bullshit with the accelerator pump. Zero lash and send it. But reiterated that any carb adjustments will change the accelerator pump so loosen them and adjust them LAST.

He said give the primary side 1-1/2 turns out on the idle mixture and 3/4 to 1 turn out on the secondary side.

He said don't worry about squaring transition slots and again referenced the throttle bodies being different. Look down the carb, crack the secondaries, and set your idle using the front.

He said the 75 is a pretty big air bleed so if it's still rich after that he'd consider drilling or installing 78 in the secondaries only. Then Primaries, but doesn't expect I'll need that.

He wants me to lock out my timing and get a start retard because it runs much better (he has a street car 347 with blow through in his foxbody).

And fuck you guys, he loves the dual plane with the big ass cam unless I plan to spin it over 6k on the street.

And then says he'd at least put a vic jr on it 🤣

Wants me to shoot for 12.5 afr at idle. They only see this issue on street cars, where the lightest throttle to cruise on flat ground or high gear lugging it goes lean unless it's a little rich at idle. They've been working on a solution.

He said 5s or 6s for plugs, but his first instinct was 5's, which is what I've got.
 
89 Fox 427 said:
For the carburetor experts, I called ATM and was told their throttle bodies aren't like a normal holley. The secondaries need to be open in a 60/40 primary to secondary ratio or it'll be lean when you tip in the throttle.

He said don't worry about that feeler gauge bullshit with the accelerator pump. Zero lash and send it. But reiterated that any carb adjustments will change the accelerator pump so loosen them and adjust them LAST.

He said give the primary side 1-1/2 turns out on the idle mixture and 3/4 to 1 turn out on the secondary side.

He said don't worry about squaring transition slots and again referenced the throttle bodies being different. Look down the carb, crack the secondaries, and set your idle using the front.

He said the 75 is a pretty big air bleed so if it's still rich after that he'd consider drilling or installing 78 in the secondaries only. Then Primaries, but doesn't expect I'll need that.

He wants me to lock out my timing and get a start retard because it runs much better (he has a street car 347 with blow through in his foxbody).

And fuck you guys, he loves the dual plane with the big ass cam unless I plan to spin it over 6k on the street.

And then says he'd at least put a vic jr on it 🤣

Wants me to shoot for 12.5 afr at idle. They only see this issue on street cars, where the lightest throttle to cruise on flat ground or high gear lugging it goes lean unless it's a little rich at idle. They've been working on a solution.

He said 5s or 6s for plugs, but his first instinct was 5's, which is what I've got.
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My 314ci Holden V8 (GM AUS) has an Edelbrock Performer RPM air gap and makes peak HP around 6200rpm. Would it make more with a single plane? Probably. Will a good single plane fit under the hood, No so a dual plane it is.

Interesting info from ATM, I wonder what's so different about their throttle bodies?
 
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