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First, No....I'm not one to just repeat a stupid trendy phrase that millions of other people have said it. I'm no philosopher but I don't use stupid phrases that have no literal meaning.
Actually, I do think that I have it pretty good so yes, maybe I do focus too much on smaller details like these. I can handle big things but struggle with small details that others seem to let slide on by.
People with no imagination that repeat simple, stupid phrases just grinds my gears. The fuckers that see you washing your car and say Hey, you missed a spot, When it is 103 degrees they ask Is it hot enough for you?
By the way....The guy that I quoted is a real fucking idiot. READ his recent posts here. He commented how despite being married to a woman he doesn't like anymore, he also posted about thinking of having another kid with her and also commented how he often sleeps in the backyard and shits into a plastic bag and puts his turds in with the dog crap he picks up.
The fucker is worthy of scrutiny and ridicule.
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The guy was face down with his feet caught in the ladder and a safety line connected to the ladder. The ladder was inside the pool of water. Just guessing but that would imply he was going down the ladder facing away from the ladder. Perhaps he slipped and couldn't get his feet clear of the ladder, perhaps because the safety harness wouldn't allow him to, causing him to drown. We will have to see what the coroner says the cause of death is. I smell a lawsuit coming...
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I used to work for a guy, he wasn't a philosopher either. But he would say that he used to get so mad at stupid people until his mom told him that the only way to never be upset at an idiot was to be the dumbest person out there. The smarter you are, the larger percent of the population that is going to piss you off. So every time you run into someone being stupid just smile and move on, as they are part of the reason you excel. It is similar to being mad every time you just miss a traffic light. Think to yourself you didn't miss that light, that light isn't your light. Your light is the next one and you are just early. Does either one actually change anything? No, of course not. But it can help change your reaction to things you can't change. It gives you a private little joke you get to tell yourself and get a chuckle inside instead of getting angry.
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So in other words, it is what it is.
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Perhaps he never took an OSHA 10 class that tells you how to climb and not climb a fuckin’ ladder.
3 point rule… three points of contact at all times must be maintained, facing the ladder.
Doesn’t get any plainer than that.
His fall protection lanyard should not be tied to the ladder. It should be secured to the same point he tied his ladder off to. He did have his ladder properly setup and tied off right ?
Of course he took the proper action and pre inspected all of his fall protection gear prior to putting it on and checked the distance it would arrest at to keep him above water correct ?
And where was his “watchman” as he transversed into and out of this hazardous environment?
A good lawyer will destroy them in any lawsuit forthcoming…
Kern Dog
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That is a nice way of looking at things. I would be better off if I could adopt that manner of thinking.
I don't see the idiots as beneath me, I see them as being capable but just too lazy to do better. It is the same with spelling and grammar.
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O S H A ???
Safety is a state of mind, it isn't the equipment. For 36 years, I did mildly dangerous work without getting hurt while some guys followed the rules and did get hurt.
Pinned saw guards on Skilsaws, walking atop walls with no harness, leaning ladders, all sorts of stuff that get people in trouble today. The weak and stupid people have resulted in oppressive safety protocols that slow down everyone.
Yeah, you'll say that nothing slows down a job like an injury but I don't buy it. I lived construction for 3 1/2 decades and saw very few injuries despite disregarding most of the rules. You can operate a saw with a pinned guard in a safe manner. You can lean a ladder, you can walk top plate on a high wall but you have to be careful about it.
Yeah, there is a comfort level where even guys like me embrace the safety equipment. I framed and sheeted steep roofs where the harness was quite welcome. I've operated bigger saws where a guard is absolutely needed too.
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Try that shit in ANY petrochemical plant here on the gulf coast and you’ll be out of there so fast your head will spin… Any contractor that wants to work in a plant around here has to follow all sorts of safety guidelines set up by the plants. Including having every employee go thru a minimum OSHA 10 hr
safety training course put on by the Houston area safety council.
Then there are the plant specific safety courses. Each man is documented in a database that every safety coordinator in all the plants can access. So if you fuck up in one plant you won’t get into another one.
The contractor has to provide their companies written internal safety plan with proof it has been handed out to every employee, and that safety meetings are held on a weekly basis along with daily tailgate chats on safety signed by the employees.
Contractors must also provide their insurance modifier numbers ( showing any work related injuries) that is given to them by their business insurance provider… along with proof of insurance with various limits ( typically 10 million or higher )
naming the petrochemical plant as the loss payee..
These boy’s don’t play when it comes to safety…
I haven’t even scratched the surface… if you have the slightest record ( criminal background or drugs)
You ain’t getting in the plant, they don’t care how skilled you are…
I could go on and on, but you get the picture…
Any workplace accident is preventable… they drill that into your head at the safety council… hell, there’s an entire industry dedicated to safety here in Texas, lots of companies that make a very nice living off of providing safety support to contractors..
Kern Dog
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Well, it sure seems like the construction industry is far more "liberal" in the rules.
We are not at the same level of risk that you are. We can fall off of a 6 foot ladder, a 10 foot wall or cut ourselves with a saw but we aren't dealing with chemicals or heavy equipment like you are.
We are not at the same level of risk that you are. We can fall off of a 6 foot ladder, a 10 foot wall or cut ourselves with a saw but we aren't dealing with chemicals or heavy equipment like you are.
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And stupid shit can fuck you hard,, we had a guy claim he got a spider bite on the job…. It turned into a lost time injury and worker’s compensation case… lost time injuries are a death toll for working in these plants,,, it raised our insurance modifier high enough, that we had to fight to get in a job we were awarded….the petrochemical plant was going to pull our contract and award it to another company.
We had to fight like hell with the insurance company to get them to review and eventually lower our number so we could move forward on the project….
For three years after that incident the company decided to become self insured for any and all work related injuries, including paying all doctor bills, time off injuries, etc. just so we didn’t file any more claims through the insurance company or workers compensation or have any record of injuries… it was a rough three years, but in the end, it finally lowered our modifier numbers…
We had to fight like hell with the insurance company to get them to review and eventually lower our number so we could move forward on the project….
For three years after that incident the company decided to become self insured for any and all work related injuries, including paying all doctor bills, time off injuries, etc. just so we didn’t file any more claims through the insurance company or workers compensation or have any record of injuries… it was a rough three years, but in the end, it finally lowered our modifier numbers…
I know my long term GF a decade ago worked for a regionally significant trucking company that was largely cut out of the lucrative Oil Field Majors haul market exactly how you describe. Brutal safety record.
I even met the most "famous" guy who was involved in "earning" them that record- he had thumb and pinkie only of his right hand.
Things had turned around but the company was very vulnerable for several years as things washed out.
As for "It is what it is" I caught that entering my speech from the Youtuber "Millennial Farmer" (and late model oval track racer). Watched his channel a bunch a couple years ago now.
He says it all the time, enough that he even jokes about it.
Good enough guy I don't mind stealing a saying from him- and there's a place for it to shrug stuff off with.
He says it all the time, enough that he even jokes about it.
Good enough guy I don't mind stealing a saying from him- and there's a place for it to shrug stuff off with.
Kern Dog
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I understand that it is used as an expression, not a literal interpretation.
It usually means It isn't perfect but I'm either too stupid or too unskilled to change it.
3 years ago I worked at a company and the foreman was talking about a section of the building that was out of level and out of square. This was a remodel project and we were doing tearouts and reframes. He said something like.... We didn't pour the concrete....it isn't right but it is what it is...
I asked him what he meant by that and he had this stupid blank expression, as if he had said it multiple times and nobody ever questioned him on it.
It usually means It isn't perfect but I'm either too stupid or too unskilled to change it.
3 years ago I worked at a company and the foreman was talking about a section of the building that was out of level and out of square. This was a remodel project and we were doing tearouts and reframes. He said something like.... We didn't pour the concrete....it isn't right but it is what it is...
I asked him what he meant by that and he had this stupid blank expression, as if he had said it multiple times and nobody ever questioned him on it.
I have an old friend who as a young guy was a real hellraiser. Now that he's in his 60's he has has mellowed a great deal. One afternoon we were at a kind of pricey outdoor restaurant that overlooked a marina. The waiter we were assigned was a young guy who in addition to being a little odd, was just terrible at his job and as a result it didn't take long before I was getting aggravated while still trying to treat the guy with some civility. My buddy said listen, he's giving you all he's got. He was right. The waiter wasn't being a smartass, he just didn't have the skillset and was in over his head. That moment reminded me to be willing to cut people a little slack.
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