427 SBF

89 Fox 427 said:
Ad nauseum of what engine you jerk off too is fucking tiring. I don't care what anyone here wants to run, I just don't need to hear about it in every thread like it's the return of Jesus. Tech advice is always welcome.


Upcoming events:

Shortblock onto engine stand
Camshaft cleaning
Timing set cleaning
Cam install
Check for clearance
Degreeing cam

Upcoming questions:

Too much too list
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Degreeing it with the heads off? I did that once, the first time I ever tried to degree a cam. My buddy that spec'd the cam told me to just install it, he said Bullet has never screwed one up on him. I just wanted to learn the process. Well, it took me a week to do it!

I measured the lift, it was right-on. Both lobes had the same lift, this was a custom cam but for a semi-mild engine. But the valve events were wrong! I watched some videos everyday on how to do it, went out in the garage to measure, and it was wrong! I would just get fed-up and go inside and go to sleep. I was on chemo and doing radiation at the time, so I blame chemo brain for my failure.

Anyway, with the heads off all the lobes look the same. Why do I say that? Well, on a SBC the first lobe is for #1 EXHAUST! I kept checking that first lobe thinking it was the phucking INTAKE! When I looked at a head and realized what I had been doing for the past week I laughed at my stupidity and sent a group text to all my buddies trying to help me over the phone. Chemo brain is a real thing. Once I got my lobes correct the cam was almost dead-on! It was off by .5 degree for the ICL which is probably from the timing set. Like my buddy told me, just install it and go! :)

If the heads were on it would have been so simple to know what lobe was for what!
 
BOSS#1540 said:
Well if I took you the wrong way I'm sorry. Being told I'm trying to bring the Cleveland thread from yb to here then you saying this isn't yb gave me that impression.
I've tried to interact with you a few times and it seemed you weren't very interested in my opinion. Wasn't sure if being Canadian and or some of my comments about trump supporting that fuckin idiot of a carney irritated you or what.
It's been a couple stressful months so I probably over thought things.
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Now I see the problem. Next you will tell us you were an Australian native that moved to Canada............ :)
Phucking Canucks, aye!

Gotta love Dan Mercier's accent on TV when they interview him, full Canuck accent on display. I used to talk to him at E-Town when he was racing his Nitro-Injected TAFD at our track, was a cool dude. Good to see him make the leap to TF and do well.

So, if they named the Windsor engines for where they are made, and the Cleveland engine for where they are made, why doesn't GM do that? The LS engine would be named HEAVEN! :)
 
I'm not even sure how to get the cam installed 2 degrees advanced. I'm reading conflicting info. Is it ground into the cam or do I need to do it with the sprocket? And wouldn't that mean every tooth of the sprocket is 8 degrees or so? Or do I need to buy more shit to make that happen
 
89 Fox 427 said:
I'm not even sure how to get the cam installed 2 degrees advanced. I'm reading conflicting info. Is it ground into the cam or do I need to do it with the sprocket? And wouldn't that mean every tooth of the sprocket is 8 degrees or so? Or do I need to buy more shit to make that happen
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Drop that bitch in and check intake center.
Go from there.
What cheap ass timing set did you get?
 
89 Fox 427 said:
I'm not even sure how to get the cam installed 2 degrees advanced. I'm reading conflicting info. Is it ground into the cam or do I need to do it with the sprocket? And wouldn't that mean every tooth of the sprocket is 8 degrees or so? Or do I need to buy more shit to make that happen
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Who told you to install it advanced? First just put it in and degree it, see where it's at, then decide from there. It's not a difficult process if your brain is working correctly! :)
 
Mike Beck said:
Who told you to install it advanced? First just put it in and degree it, see where it's at, then decide from there. It's not a difficult process if your brain is working correctly! :)
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The guy that made the cam! Digital cam "card" says install 2 degrees advanced

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You won't be able to really install it at 2* advanced with that timing setup. I see three keyways on that crank pulley. One will be straight-up, the other two will be probably 4* advanced or retarded. I could be wrong, you will know when you put it in there and degree it.
 

89 Fox 427 said:
I'm not even sure how to get the cam installed 2 degrees advanced. I'm reading conflicting info. Is it ground into the cam or do I need to do it with the sprocket? And wouldn't that mean every tooth of the sprocket is 8 degrees or so? Or do I need to buy more shit to make that happen
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What is the LSA on the cam card?
What is the ICL ?
 
89 Fox 427 said:
The guy that made the cam! Digital cam "card" says install 2 degrees advanced

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Ok. Going by this digital card. If you install it with the crank sprocket timing mark on 0° and you get a 111° ICL after degreeing it then the 2° advance is ground into the cam.
If you get a 113° ICL then it isn't ground into the cam and he is suggesting to advance it 2°
There's other ways to advance it besides the crank sprocket, such as vernier style timing sets. Hard to dial in with a 3 slot crank sprocket, infinite adjustment with a vernier.
Only issue I see with vernier is the possibility of it slipping. Bonus is you can set it dead nuts and/or move things around if clearance is needed. Which is what I had to do to get 60 thou on intake and exhaust.
EDIT : I SHOULD'VE SAID IF YOUR DOWEL IS IN THE RIGHT SPOT IN THE CAMSHAFT this would be the results.
 
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Low & slow said:
You probably have a key way that will get your 2 degree
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Dam, those are a long ways apart, and I don't see +4 or -4 just the triangle and square. Probably need the original directions or contact them. Guess I'd start with the center one, lol. But not likely going to be able to advance 2° on the cam with that timing set
 
BOSS#1540 said:
Ok. Going by this digital card. If you install it with the crank sprocket timing mark on 0° and you get a 111° ICL after degreeing it then the 2° advance is ground into the cam.
If you get a 113° ICL then it isn't ground into the cam and he is suggesting to advance it 2°
There's other ways to advance it besides the crank sprocket, such as vernier style timing sets. Hard to dial in with a 3 slot crank sprocket, infinite adjustment with a vernier.
Only issue I see with vernier is the possibility of it slipping. Bonus is you can set it dead nuts and/or move things around if clearance is needed. Which is what I had to do to get 60 thou on intake and exhaust.
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Wrong
 
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